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Duration accuracy of stimuli time below 10ms

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Musashi Jason	Musashi Jason posted 6 Years Ago Topic Details Share Topic
Group: Forum Members Posts: 61, Visits: 158	Hello, I'm gradually familiarizing myself with Inquisit 5 (with excellent help from forum members here :-) ) and am wondering about the accuracy of image stimuli presented subliminally (or that is the goal) at 10ms...or less. Experimenting with different times has brought me to 10ms as a cutoff point between conscious awareness and no conscious awareness. I'm wondering if that is a legitimate cutoff window (from a neurocognitive perspective, I mean) or if the software/hardware combination limits are more of a factor. I'm using Inquisit 5 on a MacBook Pro (2.9 Ghz). I feel like, although I have set it to appear for 10ms, the image is appearing for longer than desired as most research suggests subliminal thresholds are longer than 10ms. Regards Jason
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Dave	Dave posted 6 Years Ago ANSWER Post Details Share Post
Group: Administrators Posts: 12K, Visits: 98K	+x Musashi Jason - Thursday, May 3, 2018 Hello, I'm gradually familiarizing myself with Inquisit 5 (with excellent help from forum members here :-) ) and am wondering about the accuracy of image stimuli presented subliminally (or that is the goal) at 10ms...or less. Experimenting with different times has brought me to 10ms as a cutoff point between conscious awareness and no conscious awareness. I'm wondering if that is a legitimate cutoff window (from a neurocognitive perspective, I mean) or if the software/hardware combination limits are more of a factor. I'm using Inquisit 5 on a MacBook Pro (2.9 Ghz). I feel like, although I have set it to appear for 10ms, the image is appearing for longer than desired as most research suggests subliminal thresholds are longer than 10ms. Regards Jason The effective duration will depend on your display's refresh rate. To be able to achieve 10ms, you'd need your display running at 100Hz, which translates to a refresh cycle / display frame duration of exactly 10ms. On a display running at a lower rate, you cannot achieve 10ms. At 60Hz, you'd get a minimum duration of 16.7ms for a single frame, at 50Hz you end up at 20ms as the minimum. To go below 10ms, you of course need a display that refreshes even faster (e.g. 120Hz). Those values are rough approximations, in reality the actual duration depends on a host of other physical characteristics of the respective display, see e.g. Plant, Hammond & Turner (Behavior Research Methods, 2004), Wiens et al. (Psychological Science, 2004), Plant & Turner (Behavior Research Methods, 2009), Elze & Tanner (Medical Physics, 2009), and http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0012792 Edited 6 Years Ago by Dave
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seandr	seandr posted 6 Years Ago ANSWER Post Details Share Post
Group: Administrators Posts: 1.3K, Visits: 5.6K	Hi Jason, Due to the limitations of displays that Dave mentions, researchers seeking to achieve subliminal presentations typically use "masking" - i.e. presenting another mask stimulus immediately before and/or after the target stimulus such that the forward mask is overwritten by the target stimulus, which is then overwritten by the backward mask. By sandwiching the target as such, you can present it for longer durations (17-50ms depending on the masks and stimuli) without it being consciously perceptible. This gives automatic neural circuitry more exposure to the stimulus without conscious circuits getting involved. -Sean
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Musashi Jason	Musashi Jason posted 6 Years Ago ANSWER Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 61, Visits: 158	+x Dave - Thursday, May 3, 2018 +x Musashi Jason - Thursday, May 3, 2018 Hello, I'm gradually familiarizing myself with Inquisit 5 (with excellent help from forum members here :-) ) and am wondering about the accuracy of image stimuli presented subliminally (or that is the goal) at 10ms...or less. Experimenting with different times has brought me to 10ms as a cutoff point between conscious awareness and no conscious awareness. I'm wondering if that is a legitimate cutoff window (from a neurocognitive perspective, I mean) or if the software/hardware combination limits are more of a factor. I'm using Inquisit 5 on a MacBook Pro (2.9 Ghz). I feel like, although I have set it to appear for 10ms, the image is appearing for longer than desired as most research suggests subliminal thresholds are longer than 10ms. Regards Jason The effective duration will depend on your display's refresh rate. To be able to achieve 10ms, you'd need your display running at 100Hz, which translates to a refresh cycle / display frame duration of exactly 10ms. On a display running at a lower rate, you cannot achieve 10ms. At 60Hz, you'd get a minimum duration of 16.7ms for a single frame, at 50Hz you end up at 20ms as the minimum. To go below 10ms, you of course need a display that refreshes even faster (e.g. 120Hz). Those values are rough approximations, in reality the actual duration depends on a host of other physical characteristics of the respective display, see e.g. Plant, Hammond & Turner (Behavior Research Methods, 2004), Wiens et al. (Psychological Science, 2004), Plant & Turner (Behavior Research Methods, 2009), Elze & Tanner (Medical Physics, 2009), and http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0012792 Dave, Thanks for that very thorough explanation. I was pretty sure that I was running up against hardware limitations and you have helped me verify that assumption. Thanks again for an extremely helpful, and super quick, reply. Jason
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Musashi Jason	Musashi Jason posted 6 Years Ago ANSWER Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 61, Visits: 158	+x seandr - Thursday, May 3, 2018 Hi Jason, Due to the limitations of displays that Dave mentions, researchers seeking to achieve subliminal presentations typically use "masking" - i.e. presenting another mask stimulus immediately before and/or after the target stimulus such that the forward mask is overwritten by the target stimulus, which is then overwritten by the backward mask. By sandwiching the target as such, you can present it for longer durations (17-50ms depending on the masks and stimuli) without it being consciously perceptible. This gives automatic neural circuitry more exposure to the stimulus without conscious circuits getting involved. -Sean Sean, Thank you for the pointer. I was thinking of masking but then got lost exploring the story behind my hardware limitations. :-) I'm on sabbatical at the moment so I'm endulding myself in distractions a bit. :-) Regards Jason
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