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here's an example of one of the relevant trials:

<trial one>
/ stimulusframes = [1=one, plus_one, minus_one, try_again,
pond, duck_1_a, duck_1_b, duck_2_a, duck_2_b, duck_3_a, duck_3_b, duck_4_a, duck_4_b, duck_5_a, duck_5_b,
pond]
/ inputdevice = dragdrop
/ showmousecursor = true
/droptargets = (pond)
/ validresponse = (plus_one, minus_one, try_again)
/ correctresponse = (plus_one)
/ontrialbegin=[
    picture.duck_1_a.hposition=24%;
    picture.duck_1_a.vposition=45%;
    picture.duck_1_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_1_b.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_a.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_2_a.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_b.hposition=15%;
    picture.duck_2_b.vposition=40%;
    picture.duck_3_a.hposition=25%;
    picture.duck_3_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_3_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_3_b.vposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_a.hposition=10%;
    picture.duck_4_a.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_4_b.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_b.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_5_a.hposition=30%;
    picture.duck_5_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_5_b.hposition=13%]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "try_again") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "minus_one") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "plus_one") trial.three]
</trial>

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nc - 6/27/2020

here's an example of one of the relevant trials:

<trial one>
/ stimulusframes = [1=one, plus_one, minus_one, try_again,
pond, duck_1_a, duck_1_b, duck_2_a, duck_2_b, duck_3_a, duck_3_b, duck_4_a, duck_4_b, duck_5_a, duck_5_b,
pond]
/ inputdevice = dragdrop
/ showmousecursor = true
/droptargets = (pond)
/ validresponse = (plus_one, minus_one, try_again)
/ correctresponse = (plus_one)
/ontrialbegin=[
    picture.duck_1_a.hposition=24%;
    picture.duck_1_a.vposition=45%;
    picture.duck_1_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_1_b.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_a.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_2_a.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_b.hposition=15%;
    picture.duck_2_b.vposition=40%;
    picture.duck_3_a.hposition=25%;
    picture.duck_3_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_3_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_3_b.vposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_a.hposition=10%;
    picture.duck_4_a.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_4_b.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_b.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_5_a.hposition=30%;
    picture.duck_5_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_5_b.hposition=13%]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "try_again") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "minus_one") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "plus_one") trial.three]
</trial>

/branch attributes at the <block> level are executed when that block ends, not sometime in the middle of the block, while the block is still running trials. It's not clear at all from the snippets you posted when the block ends.

E.g. if you want the block to immediately terminate after two errors in <trial one>, you need to put some /stop logic in the <block> to do that etc.

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

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nc - 6/27/2020

here's an example of one of the relevant trials:

<trial one>
/ stimulusframes = [1=one, plus_one, minus_one, try_again,
pond, duck_1_a, duck_1_b, duck_2_a, duck_2_b, duck_3_a, duck_3_b, duck_4_a, duck_4_b, duck_5_a, duck_5_b,
pond]
/ inputdevice = dragdrop
/ showmousecursor = true
/droptargets = (pond)
/ validresponse = (plus_one, minus_one, try_again)
/ correctresponse = (plus_one)
/ontrialbegin=[
    picture.duck_1_a.hposition=24%;
    picture.duck_1_a.vposition=45%;
    picture.duck_1_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_1_b.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_a.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_2_a.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_b.hposition=15%;
    picture.duck_2_b.vposition=40%;
    picture.duck_3_a.hposition=25%;
    picture.duck_3_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_3_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_3_b.vposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_a.hposition=10%;
    picture.duck_4_a.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_4_b.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_b.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_5_a.hposition=30%;
    picture.duck_5_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_5_b.hposition=13%]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "try_again") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "minus_one") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "plus_one") trial.three]
</trial>

/branch attributes at the <block> level are executed when that block ends, not sometime in the middle of the block, while the block is still running trials. It's not clear at all from the snippets you posted when the block ends.

E.g. if you want the block to immediately terminate after two errors in <trial one>, you need to put some /stop logic in the <block> to do that etc.

Thank you for the quick reply. I set up the stop logic like this, but it still doesn't seem to be working:
<block test>
/trials = [1=one]
/stop = [
    (trial.one.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.one.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.two.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.two.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.three.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.three.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.four.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.four.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.five.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.five.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.six.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.six.totalcorrectcount >=2)]
</block>
in particular, it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated. Any advice?

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/27/2020

here's an example of one of the relevant trials:

<trial one>
/ stimulusframes = [1=one, plus_one, minus_one, try_again,
pond, duck_1_a, duck_1_b, duck_2_a, duck_2_b, duck_3_a, duck_3_b, duck_4_a, duck_4_b, duck_5_a, duck_5_b,
pond]
/ inputdevice = dragdrop
/ showmousecursor = true
/droptargets = (pond)
/ validresponse = (plus_one, minus_one, try_again)
/ correctresponse = (plus_one)
/ontrialbegin=[
    picture.duck_1_a.hposition=24%;
    picture.duck_1_a.vposition=45%;
    picture.duck_1_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_1_b.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_a.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_2_a.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_b.hposition=15%;
    picture.duck_2_b.vposition=40%;
    picture.duck_3_a.hposition=25%;
    picture.duck_3_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_3_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_3_b.vposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_a.hposition=10%;
    picture.duck_4_a.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_4_b.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_b.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_5_a.hposition=30%;
    picture.duck_5_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_5_b.hposition=13%]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "try_again") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "minus_one") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "plus_one") trial.three]
</trial>

/branch attributes at the <block> level are executed when that block ends, not sometime in the middle of the block, while the block is still running trials. It's not clear at all from the snippets you posted when the block ends.

E.g. if you want the block to immediately terminate after two errors in <trial one>, you need to put some /stop logic in the <block> to do that etc.

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

Thank you for the quick reply. I set up the stop logic like this, but it still doesn't seem to be working:
<block test>
/trials = [1=one]
/stop = [
    (trial.one.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.one.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.two.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.two.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.three.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.three.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.four.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.four.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.five.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.five.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.six.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.six.totalcorrectcount >=2)]
</block>
in particular, it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated. Any advice?

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/27/2020

here's an example of one of the relevant trials:

<trial one>
/ stimulusframes = [1=one, plus_one, minus_one, try_again,
pond, duck_1_a, duck_1_b, duck_2_a, duck_2_b, duck_3_a, duck_3_b, duck_4_a, duck_4_b, duck_5_a, duck_5_b,
pond]
/ inputdevice = dragdrop
/ showmousecursor = true
/droptargets = (pond)
/ validresponse = (plus_one, minus_one, try_again)
/ correctresponse = (plus_one)
/ontrialbegin=[
    picture.duck_1_a.hposition=24%;
    picture.duck_1_a.vposition=45%;
    picture.duck_1_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_1_b.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_a.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_2_a.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_b.hposition=15%;
    picture.duck_2_b.vposition=40%;
    picture.duck_3_a.hposition=25%;
    picture.duck_3_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_3_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_3_b.vposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_a.hposition=10%;
    picture.duck_4_a.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_4_b.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_b.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_5_a.hposition=30%;
    picture.duck_5_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_5_b.hposition=13%]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "try_again") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "minus_one") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "plus_one") trial.three]
</trial>

/branch attributes at the <block> level are executed when that block ends, not sometime in the middle of the block, while the block is still running trials. It's not clear at all from the snippets you posted when the block ends.

E.g. if you want the block to immediately terminate after two errors in <trial one>, you need to put some /stop logic in the <block> to do that etc.

> it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated

What makes you think that, please?

the block doesn't end when there are 2 correct responses on trial 'three' and 2 incorrect on trial 'four', for example.

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

Thank you for the quick reply. I set up the stop logic like this, but it still doesn't seem to be working:
<block test>
/trials = [1=one]
/stop = [
    (trial.one.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.one.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.two.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.two.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.three.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.three.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.four.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.four.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.five.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.five.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.six.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.six.totalcorrectcount >=2)]
</block>
in particular, it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated. Any advice?

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/27/2020

here's an example of one of the relevant trials:

<trial one>
/ stimulusframes = [1=one, plus_one, minus_one, try_again,
pond, duck_1_a, duck_1_b, duck_2_a, duck_2_b, duck_3_a, duck_3_b, duck_4_a, duck_4_b, duck_5_a, duck_5_b,
pond]
/ inputdevice = dragdrop
/ showmousecursor = true
/droptargets = (pond)
/ validresponse = (plus_one, minus_one, try_again)
/ correctresponse = (plus_one)
/ontrialbegin=[
    picture.duck_1_a.hposition=24%;
    picture.duck_1_a.vposition=45%;
    picture.duck_1_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_1_b.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_a.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_2_a.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_b.hposition=15%;
    picture.duck_2_b.vposition=40%;
    picture.duck_3_a.hposition=25%;
    picture.duck_3_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_3_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_3_b.vposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_a.hposition=10%;
    picture.duck_4_a.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_4_b.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_b.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_5_a.hposition=30%;
    picture.duck_5_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_5_b.hposition=13%]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "try_again") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "minus_one") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "plus_one") trial.three]
</trial>

/branch attributes at the <block> level are executed when that block ends, not sometime in the middle of the block, while the block is still running trials. It's not clear at all from the snippets you posted when the block ends.

E.g. if you want the block to immediately terminate after two errors in <trial one>, you need to put some /stop logic in the <block> to do that etc.

> it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated

What makes you think that, please?

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

the block doesn't end when there are 2 correct responses on trial 'three' and 2 incorrect on trial 'four', for example.

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

Thank you for the quick reply. I set up the stop logic like this, but it still doesn't seem to be working:
<block test>
/trials = [1=one]
/stop = [
    (trial.one.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.one.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.two.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.two.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.three.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.three.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.four.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.four.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.five.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.five.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.six.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.six.totalcorrectcount >=2)]
</block>
in particular, it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated. Any advice?

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/27/2020

here's an example of one of the relevant trials:

<trial one>
/ stimulusframes = [1=one, plus_one, minus_one, try_again,
pond, duck_1_a, duck_1_b, duck_2_a, duck_2_b, duck_3_a, duck_3_b, duck_4_a, duck_4_b, duck_5_a, duck_5_b,
pond]
/ inputdevice = dragdrop
/ showmousecursor = true
/droptargets = (pond)
/ validresponse = (plus_one, minus_one, try_again)
/ correctresponse = (plus_one)
/ontrialbegin=[
    picture.duck_1_a.hposition=24%;
    picture.duck_1_a.vposition=45%;
    picture.duck_1_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_1_b.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_a.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_2_a.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_b.hposition=15%;
    picture.duck_2_b.vposition=40%;
    picture.duck_3_a.hposition=25%;
    picture.duck_3_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_3_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_3_b.vposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_a.hposition=10%;
    picture.duck_4_a.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_4_b.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_b.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_5_a.hposition=30%;
    picture.duck_5_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_5_b.hposition=13%]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "try_again") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "minus_one") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "plus_one") trial.three]
</trial>

/branch attributes at the <block> level are executed when that block ends, not sometime in the middle of the block, while the block is still running trials. It's not clear at all from the snippets you posted when the block ends.

E.g. if you want the block to immediately terminate after two errors in <trial one>, you need to put some /stop logic in the <block> to do that etc.

> it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated

What makes you think that, please?

Please provide the full script including any and all external files it requires to run then

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

the block doesn't end when there are 2 correct responses on trial 'three' and 2 incorrect on trial 'four', for example.

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

Thank you for the quick reply. I set up the stop logic like this, but it still doesn't seem to be working:
<block test>
/trials = [1=one]
/stop = [
    (trial.one.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.one.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.two.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.two.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.three.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.three.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.four.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.four.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.five.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.five.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.six.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.six.totalcorrectcount >=2)]
</block>
in particular, it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated. Any advice?

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/27/2020

here's an example of one of the relevant trials:

<trial one>
/ stimulusframes = [1=one, plus_one, minus_one, try_again,
pond, duck_1_a, duck_1_b, duck_2_a, duck_2_b, duck_3_a, duck_3_b, duck_4_a, duck_4_b, duck_5_a, duck_5_b,
pond]
/ inputdevice = dragdrop
/ showmousecursor = true
/droptargets = (pond)
/ validresponse = (plus_one, minus_one, try_again)
/ correctresponse = (plus_one)
/ontrialbegin=[
    picture.duck_1_a.hposition=24%;
    picture.duck_1_a.vposition=45%;
    picture.duck_1_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_1_b.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_a.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_2_a.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_b.hposition=15%;
    picture.duck_2_b.vposition=40%;
    picture.duck_3_a.hposition=25%;
    picture.duck_3_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_3_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_3_b.vposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_a.hposition=10%;
    picture.duck_4_a.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_4_b.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_b.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_5_a.hposition=30%;
    picture.duck_5_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_5_b.hposition=13%]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "try_again") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "minus_one") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "plus_one") trial.three]
</trial>

/branch attributes at the <block> level are executed when that block ends, not sometime in the middle of the block, while the block is still running trials. It's not clear at all from the snippets you posted when the block ends.

E.g. if you want the block to immediately terminate after two errors in <trial one>, you need to put some /stop logic in the <block> to do that etc.

> it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated

What makes you think that, please?

Please provide the full script including any and all external files it requires to run then

Assuming the /branch attributes in your <trial one> snippet you posted previously are representative and accurate,

/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "try_again") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "minus_one") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "plus_one") trial.three]

notice that you branch to trial.three, not trial.two here -- so it would seem that there are situations where trial.two (and possibly other trials)  is never run, which would explain why the a stop condition like

(trial.one.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.two.totalerrorcount >=2);
or
(trial.two.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.three.totalerrorcount >=2);

doesn't fire.

But it's impossible for me to say without actually being able to examine the code in context as well as a sufficiently detailed description of how exactly the script is intended to behave.

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

the block doesn't end when there are 2 correct responses on trial 'three' and 2 incorrect on trial 'four', for example.

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

Thank you for the quick reply. I set up the stop logic like this, but it still doesn't seem to be working:
<block test>
/trials = [1=one]
/stop = [
    (trial.one.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.one.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.two.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.two.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.three.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.three.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.four.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.four.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.five.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.five.totalcorrectcount >=2 && trial.six.totalerrorcount >=2);
    (trial.six.totalcorrectcount >=2)]
</block>
in particular, it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated. Any advice?

+x

 

nc - 6/29/2020

+x

 

Dave - 6/29/2020

+x

 

nc - 6/27/2020

here's an example of one of the relevant trials:

<trial one>
/ stimulusframes = [1=one, plus_one, minus_one, try_again,
pond, duck_1_a, duck_1_b, duck_2_a, duck_2_b, duck_3_a, duck_3_b, duck_4_a, duck_4_b, duck_5_a, duck_5_b,
pond]
/ inputdevice = dragdrop
/ showmousecursor = true
/droptargets = (pond)
/ validresponse = (plus_one, minus_one, try_again)
/ correctresponse = (plus_one)
/ontrialbegin=[
    picture.duck_1_a.hposition=24%;
    picture.duck_1_a.vposition=45%;
    picture.duck_1_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_1_b.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_a.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_2_a.vposition=30%;
    picture.duck_2_b.hposition=15%;
    picture.duck_2_b.vposition=40%;
    picture.duck_3_a.hposition=25%;
    picture.duck_3_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_3_b.hposition=5%;
    picture.duck_3_b.vposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_a.hposition=10%;
    picture.duck_4_a.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_4_b.hposition=20%;
    picture.duck_4_b.vposition=35%;
    picture.duck_5_a.hposition=30%;
    picture.duck_5_a.vposition=55%;
    picture.duck_5_b.hposition=13%]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "try_again") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "minus_one") trial.one]
/branch = [if (trial.one.response == "plus_one") trial.three]
</trial>

/branch attributes at the <block> level are executed when that block ends, not sometime in the middle of the block, while the block is still running trials. It's not clear at all from the snippets you posted when the block ends.

E.g. if you want the block to immediately terminate after two errors in <trial one>, you need to put some /stop logic in the <block> to do that etc.

> it seems like the expressions with && are the ones not being properly evaluated

What makes you think that, please?

Please provide the full script including any and all external files it requires to run then