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Issue with subsequent stimulus disappearing after valid response

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By saudrain - 6/19/2018

Hi there,

I know a similar issue has been posted before, but the solutions I found don't seem to be working for me, so I apologize if this is redundant. 

When I make a valid response during my trial (during enc_response), the subsequent ISI/fixation disappears before it is supposed to. I believe the issue stems from trying to display a stimulus after the response within a given trial, is this not possible?

I have it set up such that there is a variable ISI duration at the end of the trial with a fixation cross, which is to appear after the response screen. Making a valid response is quitting my subsequent stimulus presentation (the fixation), but leaving the variable duration of the trial intact (just a white screen). 

I have ensured that erase = false for all stimuli, and that responseinterrupt=trial, so the stimuli should remain on screen for the duration of the trial. 

Just for context, I suspect having my variable ISI at the end of the trial may be the issue. I tried to make a variable ISI by using the ontrialbegin attribute previously as described in other threads but it wasn't working the way that I wanted it to, which we can revisit if this is indeed the issue. 

I've added the portions of my script that I believe are relevant below, I would really appreciate any advice!

Thanks!!


*********************TRIAL******************************
<trial trials_enc1>
/ stimulustimes = [0=background_enc1; 500=target_enc1; 2500=blank; 2600=enc_response; 4600=ISI; 4601=fixation]
/ ontrialend = [trial.trials_enc1.resetstimulusframes()]
/ trialduration = rand(5600,6600)
/ inputdevice = keyboard 
/ beginresponsetime=2600
/ validresponse = (2, 3, 10, 11)
/ responseinterrupt=trial
</trial>


*********************STIMULI******************************

<picture background_enc1>
/ items = background_enc1
/ size = (100%, 100%)
/ select = sequence (1-80)
</picture>

<item background_enc1>
/1 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/2  = "beach1.jpeg"
/3 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/4 = "beach1.jpeg"
/5 = "beach2.jpeg"
/6 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/7 = "beach2.jpeg"
/8 = "beach1.jpeg"
/9 = "beach2.jpeg"
/10 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/11 = "beach1.jpeg"
/12 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/13 = "beach1.jpeg"
/14 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/15 = "beach1.jpeg"
/16 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/17 = "beach1.jpeg"
/18 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/19 = "beach1.jpeg"
/20 = "beach2.jpeg"
/21 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/22 = "beach1.jpeg"
/23 = "beach2.jpeg"
/24 = "beach1.jpeg"
/25 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/26 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/27 = "beach1.jpeg"
/28 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/29 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/30 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/31 = "beach2.jpeg"
/32 = "beach1.jpeg"
/33 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/34 = "beach1.jpeg"
/35 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/36 = "beach1.jpeg"
/37 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/38 = "beach1.jpeg"
/39 = "beach2.jpeg"
/40 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/41 = "beach2.jpeg"
/42 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/43 = "beach2.jpeg"
/44 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/45 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/46 = "beach1.jpeg"
/47 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/48 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/49 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/50 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/51 = "beach2.jpeg"
/52 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/53 = "beach1.jpeg"
/54 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/55 = "beach2.jpeg"
/56 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/57 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/58 = "beach2.jpeg"
/59 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/60 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/61 = "beach2.jpeg"
/62 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/63 = "beach2.jpeg"
/64 = "beach1.jpeg"
/65 = "beach2.jpeg"
/66 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/67 = "beach2.jpeg"
/68 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/69 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/70 = "beach2.jpeg"
/71 = "beach1.jpeg"
/72 = "beach2.jpeg"
/73 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/74 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/75 = "beach2.jpeg"
/76 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/77 = "beach1.jpeg"
/78 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/79 = "beach2.jpeg"
/80 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
</item>

<picture target_enc1>
/ items = target_enc1
/ size = (25%, 25%)
/ position = (50%, 50%)
/ select = sequence (1-80)
</picture>

<item target_enc1>
/1 = "can_opener.jpeg"
/2  = "wetsuit.jpeg"
/3 = "lawnmower2.jpeg"
/4 = "spatula.jpeg"
/5 = "cookpot4.jpeg"
/6 = "nintendo_controller.jpeg"
/7 = "sunscreen.jpeg"
/8 = "bathingsuit.jpeg"
/9 = "bird4.jpeg"
/10 = "muffins.jpeg"
/11 = "polarbearcub.jpeg"
/12 = "cooking_pot.jpeg"
/13 = "shrimp.jpeg"
/14 = "mug.jpeg"
/15 = "crab.jpeg"
/16 = "fork_lift.jpeg"
/17 = "surfboard.jpeg"
/18 = "octopus.jpeg"
/19 = "trumpet1.jpeg"
/20 = "tongs.jpeg"
/21 = "oven_mitts.jpeg"
/22 = "dentures.jpeg"
/23 = "rubix.jpeg"
/24 = "tin_foil.jpeg"
/25 = "sun_visor.jpeg"
/26 = "boxing_gloves.jpeg"
/27 = "crib4.jpeg"
/28 = "trafficcone.jpeg"
/29 = "spaghetti_jar.jpeg"
/30 = "paper_towel.jpeg"
/31 = "giraffe.jpeg"
/32 = "flippers.jpeg"
/33 = "hawaii_shirt.jpeg"
/34 = "kettle.jpeg"
/35 = "pale_and_shovel.jpeg"
/36 = "kayak2.jpeg"
/37 = "eggpan.jpeg"
/38 = "skeleton.jpeg"
/39 = "steeringwheel.jpeg"
/40 = "cruise_ship.jpeg"
/41 = "fire_hydrant.jpeg"
/42 = "rollingpin.jpeg"
/43 = "pina_colada.jpeg"
/44 = "spaghetti_rake.jpeg"
/45 = "hammock.jpeg"
/46 = "cling_wrap.jpeg"
/47 = "lion.jpeg"
/48 = "stethoscope.jpeg"
/49 = "sailboat.jpeg"
/50 = "flipflops.jpeg"
/51 = "pan.jpeg"
/52 = "blender.jpeg"
/53 = "inner_tube.jpeg"
/54 = "sandwich.jpeg"
/55 = "beach_chair.jpeg"
/56 = "billiard_balls.jpeg"
/57 = "butter_knife.jpeg"
/58 = "fish.jpeg"
/59 = "sink_strainer.jpeg"
/60 = "colander2.jpeg"
/61 = "starfish.jpeg"
/62 = "seashell2.jpeg"
/63 = "seahorse.jpeg"
/64 = "dish_rack.jpeg"
/65 = "chesspiece.jpeg"
/66 = "anchor.jpeg"
/67 = "sponge.jpeg"
/68 = "dumbbell1.jpeg"
/69 = "knife_block.jpeg"
/70 = "lobster.jpeg"
/71 = "killer_whale.jpeg"
/72 = "beach_lounge.jpeg"
/73 = "wine_glass.jpeg"
/74 = "type_writer.jpeg"
/75 = "butter_dish.jpeg"
/76 = "chef_hat.jpeg"
/77 = "manta_ray.jpeg"
/78 = "bowl_of_cereal.jpeg"
/79 = "clownfish.jpeg"
/80 = "bowls.jpeg"
</item>

<text enc_response>
/ items = ("
How related?

1 = Very Unrelated  2 = Somewhat Unrelated  9 = Somewhat Related  0 = Very Related")
/ color = (0, 0, 0)
/ txbgcolor = (255,255,255)
/ fontstyle=("Arial", 3%, false, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ size =(100%,100%)
/ hjustify=center
/ valign=center
/ halign=center
/ erase = false
</text>

<text fixation>
/ items = ("+")
/ color = (0, 0, 0)
/ txbgcolor = (255,255,255)
/ fontstyle = ("Arial", 30pt)
/ erase = false
</text>

<picture ISI>
/ items = ISI
/ size = (110%, 110%)
/ erase = false
</picture>

<item ISI>
/1 ="ISI.jpeg"
</item>

<picture blank>
/ items = blank
/ size = (110%, 110%)
/ erase = false
</picture>

<item blank>
/1 ="blank.jpeg"
</item>
By Dave - 6/20/2018

saudrain - Wednesday, June 20, 2018
Hi there,

I know a similar issue has been posted before, but the solutions I found don't seem to be working for me, so I apologize if this is redundant. 

When I make a valid response during my trial (during enc_response), the subsequent ISI/fixation disappears before it is supposed to. I believe the issue stems from trying to display a stimulus after the response within a given trial, is this not possible?

I have it set up such that there is a variable ISI duration at the end of the trial with a fixation cross, which is to appear after the response screen. Making a valid response is quitting my subsequent stimulus presentation (the fixation), but leaving the variable duration of the trial intact (just a white screen). 

I have ensured that erase = false for all stimuli, and that responseinterrupt=trial, so the stimuli should remain on screen for the duration of the trial. 

Just for context, I suspect having my variable ISI at the end of the trial may be the issue. I tried to make a variable ISI by using the ontrialbegin attribute previously as described in other threads but it wasn't working the way that I wanted it to, which we can revisit if this is indeed the issue. 

I've added the portions of my script that I believe are relevant below, I would really appreciate any advice!

Thanks!!


*********************TRIAL******************************
<trial trials_enc1>
/ stimulustimes = [0=background_enc1; 500=target_enc1; 2500=blank; 2600=enc_response; 4600=ISI; 4601=fixation]
/ ontrialend = [trial.trials_enc1.resetstimulusframes()]
/ trialduration = rand(5600,6600)
/ inputdevice = keyboard 
/ beginresponsetime=2600
/ validresponse = (2, 3, 10, 11)
/ responseinterrupt=trial
</trial>


*********************STIMULI******************************

<picture background_enc1>
/ items = background_enc1
/ size = (100%, 100%)
/ select = sequence (1-80)
</picture>

<item background_enc1>
/1 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/2  = "beach1.jpeg"
/3 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/4 = "beach1.jpeg"
/5 = "beach2.jpeg"
/6 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/7 = "beach2.jpeg"
/8 = "beach1.jpeg"
/9 = "beach2.jpeg"
/10 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/11 = "beach1.jpeg"
/12 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/13 = "beach1.jpeg"
/14 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/15 = "beach1.jpeg"
/16 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/17 = "beach1.jpeg"
/18 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/19 = "beach1.jpeg"
/20 = "beach2.jpeg"
/21 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/22 = "beach1.jpeg"
/23 = "beach2.jpeg"
/24 = "beach1.jpeg"
/25 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/26 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/27 = "beach1.jpeg"
/28 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/29 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/30 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/31 = "beach2.jpeg"
/32 = "beach1.jpeg"
/33 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/34 = "beach1.jpeg"
/35 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/36 = "beach1.jpeg"
/37 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/38 = "beach1.jpeg"
/39 = "beach2.jpeg"
/40 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/41 = "beach2.jpeg"
/42 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/43 = "beach2.jpeg"
/44 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/45 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/46 = "beach1.jpeg"
/47 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/48 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/49 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/50 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/51 = "beach2.jpeg"
/52 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/53 = "beach1.jpeg"
/54 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/55 = "beach2.jpeg"
/56 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/57 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/58 = "beach2.jpeg"
/59 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/60 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/61 = "beach2.jpeg"
/62 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/63 = "beach2.jpeg"
/64 = "beach1.jpeg"
/65 = "beach2.jpeg"
/66 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/67 = "beach2.jpeg"
/68 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/69 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/70 = "beach2.jpeg"
/71 = "beach1.jpeg"
/72 = "beach2.jpeg"
/73 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/74 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/75 = "beach2.jpeg"
/76 = "kitchen2.jpeg"
/77 = "beach1.jpeg"
/78 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
/79 = "beach2.jpeg"
/80 = "kitchen1.jpeg"
</item>

<picture target_enc1>
/ items = target_enc1
/ size = (25%, 25%)
/ position = (50%, 50%)
/ select = sequence (1-80)
</picture>

<item target_enc1>
/1 = "can_opener.jpeg"
/2  = "wetsuit.jpeg"
/3 = "lawnmower2.jpeg"
/4 = "spatula.jpeg"
/5 = "cookpot4.jpeg"
/6 = "nintendo_controller.jpeg"
/7 = "sunscreen.jpeg"
/8 = "bathingsuit.jpeg"
/9 = "bird4.jpeg"
/10 = "muffins.jpeg"
/11 = "polarbearcub.jpeg"
/12 = "cooking_pot.jpeg"
/13 = "shrimp.jpeg"
/14 = "mug.jpeg"
/15 = "crab.jpeg"
/16 = "fork_lift.jpeg"
/17 = "surfboard.jpeg"
/18 = "octopus.jpeg"
/19 = "trumpet1.jpeg"
/20 = "tongs.jpeg"
/21 = "oven_mitts.jpeg"
/22 = "dentures.jpeg"
/23 = "rubix.jpeg"
/24 = "tin_foil.jpeg"
/25 = "sun_visor.jpeg"
/26 = "boxing_gloves.jpeg"
/27 = "crib4.jpeg"
/28 = "trafficcone.jpeg"
/29 = "spaghetti_jar.jpeg"
/30 = "paper_towel.jpeg"
/31 = "giraffe.jpeg"
/32 = "flippers.jpeg"
/33 = "hawaii_shirt.jpeg"
/34 = "kettle.jpeg"
/35 = "pale_and_shovel.jpeg"
/36 = "kayak2.jpeg"
/37 = "eggpan.jpeg"
/38 = "skeleton.jpeg"
/39 = "steeringwheel.jpeg"
/40 = "cruise_ship.jpeg"
/41 = "fire_hydrant.jpeg"
/42 = "rollingpin.jpeg"
/43 = "pina_colada.jpeg"
/44 = "spaghetti_rake.jpeg"
/45 = "hammock.jpeg"
/46 = "cling_wrap.jpeg"
/47 = "lion.jpeg"
/48 = "stethoscope.jpeg"
/49 = "sailboat.jpeg"
/50 = "flipflops.jpeg"
/51 = "pan.jpeg"
/52 = "blender.jpeg"
/53 = "inner_tube.jpeg"
/54 = "sandwich.jpeg"
/55 = "beach_chair.jpeg"
/56 = "billiard_balls.jpeg"
/57 = "butter_knife.jpeg"
/58 = "fish.jpeg"
/59 = "sink_strainer.jpeg"
/60 = "colander2.jpeg"
/61 = "starfish.jpeg"
/62 = "seashell2.jpeg"
/63 = "seahorse.jpeg"
/64 = "dish_rack.jpeg"
/65 = "chesspiece.jpeg"
/66 = "anchor.jpeg"
/67 = "sponge.jpeg"
/68 = "dumbbell1.jpeg"
/69 = "knife_block.jpeg"
/70 = "lobster.jpeg"
/71 = "killer_whale.jpeg"
/72 = "beach_lounge.jpeg"
/73 = "wine_glass.jpeg"
/74 = "type_writer.jpeg"
/75 = "butter_dish.jpeg"
/76 = "chef_hat.jpeg"
/77 = "manta_ray.jpeg"
/78 = "bowl_of_cereal.jpeg"
/79 = "clownfish.jpeg"
/80 = "bowls.jpeg"
</item>

<text enc_response>
/ items = ("
How related?

1 = Very Unrelated  2 = Somewhat Unrelated  9 = Somewhat Related  0 = Very Related")
/ color = (0, 0, 0)
/ txbgcolor = (255,255,255)
/ fontstyle=("Arial", 3%, false, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ size =(100%,100%)
/ hjustify=center
/ valign=center
/ halign=center
/ erase = false
</text>

<text fixation>
/ items = ("+")
/ color = (0, 0, 0)
/ txbgcolor = (255,255,255)
/ fontstyle = ("Arial", 30pt)
/ erase = false
</text>

<picture ISI>
/ items = ISI
/ size = (110%, 110%)
/ erase = false
</picture>

<item ISI>
/1 ="ISI.jpeg"
</item>

<picture blank>
/ items = blank
/ size = (110%, 110%)
/ erase = false
</picture>

<item blank>
/1 ="blank.jpeg"
</item>




I cannot seem to reproduce this -- in other words, the fixation cross is displayed fine for me, regardless of when the response occurs. A few minor things:

(1)

/ stimulustimes = [0=background_enc1; 500=target_enc1; 2500=blank; 2600=enc_response; 4600=ISI; 4601=fixation]

doesn't really make sense, as you will not get a 1ms delay between ISI and fixation (no display is fast enough to allow for that), both stimuli will be displayed at the same time, so effectively you have

/ stimulustimes = [0=background_enc1; 500=target_enc1; 2500=blank; 2600=enc_response; 4600=ISI, fixation]

(2)

Do you observe any difference between

/ responseinterrupt=trial

and

/ responseinterrupt=frames

?

(3)

If you suspect the random trial duration is the problem, does changing things to

<values>
/ randomtrialduration = 0
</values>

<trial trials_enc1>
/ ontrialbegin = [values.randomtrialduration = round(rand(5600,6600); ]
/ stimulustimes = [0=background_enc1; 500=target_enc1; 2500=blank; 2600=enc_response; 4600=ISI, fixation]
/ ontrialend = [trial.trials_enc1.resetstimulusframes()]
/ trialduration = values.randomtrialduration
/ inputdevice = keyboard
/ beginresponsetime=2600
/ validresponse = (2, 3, 10, 11)
/ responseinterrupt=frames
</trial>

make any difference?

(4)

Neither <picture background_enc1> nor <picture target_enc1> appear to be set to /erase = false. This *may* be the problem.

(5)

Finally, which version are you using currently and is your installation up to date?