+x John Marino - 5/4/2021Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask.
+x Dave - 5/4/2021+x John Marino - 5/4/2021Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask.Conceptually they're the same, procedurally they differ in mostly minor details. See e.g. Bluemke & Friese (2008) for some discussion of that.